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**0:08** · Hello everybody, James here, the Stevie Richard Show. we thought we would have to do cuz we actually had to do a bit of extra recording today which we don't normally do and it just so happened to coincide with the fact that Rick Flair old can Ric Flair himself slurs his way through another 55minute interview but this was a greatest hits of the absolute most drunken blatherings in the entire world. It was great. But this isn't about me. This is about Stevie Richards who Rick Flair both named you Dutch and he couldn't remember my name. Well, he pretended to not remember any of our names. He knows.**0:44** · Yes, that was uh that was quite random, though not unexpected with the amount of clips we talk about Rick and everything and his uh his adventures, I guess you would call them. And you're going to go deeper into those adventures throughout Ric Flair's life on the James Romero channel. And you're going to do your own reaction video on uh the mystical or mystifying uh names that he called you.**1:07** · Yes. He started off this interview on the MMA Hour with Ariwani. Uh, really good show. You should check it out. I don't know about this. I didn't know it was 55 minutes, by the way. I just know about this clip right before I went to bed, which is very early. Um, I don't know. At first, he acted like the old Stevie something or other. And he calls Dutch Zeb Coulter, but then he called us effing punks or, you know, punks like effing Stevie, what's his name? Zub Coulter, whatever his name is, and uh went into the he he hit Dutch a lot harder than me. I just, you know, have a have a skinny neck. That's the only thing he said that his pinky is bigger than my neck. Which could be objectively true in some ways or another. You know, I haven't really done heavy shrugs. I looked at my dumbbells this morning. I said, "Oh, it's only, you know, it's only those teeter 32 pound ones. I need to do some heavier shrugs." I really, the insecure wrestler me was like, "Do I have a skinny neck?" Cuz I looked in the mirror in the gym this morning and I just kind of laughed about it. But man, what what can you say? The timing is completely mystifying. And of course, like I said, he hit Dutch a lot harder than me. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna help Brick out because I was really kind of hurt that he didn't put more thought into the insults for me. So, I have a list of insults that could be much better for next time. First one is um actually going to the neck thing. The first thing I thought of was I'm a pencil neck geek which made me laugh out loud. I'm a huge fan of when Freddy Blast used to do that which is kind of true because I am a geek as everybody knows. So I take that as a compliment.**2:47** · Uh but if you wanted to insult me I would say uh your big square head if you ever cut your hair you would look like a human Lego. That's one thing right there. Uh the next one is your brother died of cancer and I hope you do too.**3:00** · What? No, that's that's for Ricochet when next time he tweets. Uh what's the other thing? The jobber thing has kind of played out. I really don't have much, but if you give me more time, Rick, I I'll help you out with that. What say you, James?**3:12** · Peanut shell.**3:13** · I was peanut shell. Yeah, we'll get to that. Uh does cerosis of the liver cause some sort of swelling in the digits? because I'm pretty sure that's the only way his little finger is gonna get as close to the size of anyone's neck.**3:32** · I have no idea, dude. I I think it was just something that was somehow on his mind or somebody maybe played one of the clips right before he went on there or he was out there for Wrestlemania weekend. Was he out there? No.**3:44** · And he caught wind of all that.**3:45** · That's the entire point. He wasn't out there and that's going to be some of the other stuff that he complains about.**3:51** · Oh, that's right. Now, he's uh he recently went against WWE, so obviously he I thought he'd be there for Wrestle Con or the signing or anything like that, but this is something that like quite frankly, like I said, I went to bed and then when I woke up for the gym, you were already, we were talking about it initially and what happened overnight and I'm sure you'll get to that because it's been covered somehow. It must be a slow news day after Wrestlemania and the Wrestlemania fallout and Raw. on how we're in the uh the news around the circle of wrestling news sites.**4:23** · Let's get to some of the quotes here. I get punks like effing Stevie Richards and Zeb Coulter, whatever his name is, Flair said, referring to Dutch Mantel.**4:33** · Flair went on to qu This is from Wrestling News Code, by the way. They did a really good write up. Uh Flair went on to question why Mantel, who worked as Zeb Coulter in WWE alongside Jack Swagger during the Real Americans run, feels qualified to speak on his career. a guy that has suffered serious health problems. Not as serious as mine.**4:50** · I would keep my mouth shut because if you don't have a legacy, you can't talk about a legacy.**4:57** · Do I continue or do we pull that one up?**5:01** · Well, I mean, once again, I love the old school carne wrestling oneupmanship that everybody does, even with illnesses.**5:09** · Brick Flair's illness is, "Hey, Suge, you're the over illness, not the under illness." like the Dutch man tell he really I mean the Dutch and him have more of a history than us so I can see why he's focusing on that and I can't wait I'm sure Dutch is going to react as well on the next story time but you know that Dutch was uh Dutch and Ric Flair shared a locker room when Bruiser Broaddy died got stabbed in Puerto Rico.**5:34** · Oh I didn't know Flair was there. I knew Dutch was there obviously he was booking. Correct.**5:38** · I think it's Dutch didn't know Flair was there. In fact, nobody in that locker room knew that Flair was there. But Flair claimed he was there. Why? Nobody knows on an RS.**5:49** · So, he wasn't. Was he there or not?**5:51** · No, he just lied that he was. He just had to insert himself. I was there the night bro was stabbed. Why would anyone make that up? And someone said, "Well, no, you're a thousand miles away on this night." It's like Billy Jack Hayne style. I saw the, you know, the the boys on the tracks murders when records show that he was in LA and not Alabama or wherever he was.**6:11** · Oh, those are those are, you know, those are minute details of location and thousands of miles away. But why would you do that? I know I know for a fact I'm not with Dutch, but Tony Atlas or anybody that speaks about it, it was a very traumatic experience. Why would you even want to be anywhere near that when it happened or even like you say, say I was there as well?**6:32** · Hey, you got to be the center of attention.**6:34** · Flare, legacy. Let me talk about the legacy real quick. The legacy stuff in pro wrestling. This is the probably the biggest criticism that Flair or anybody that takes Flair's side with this. And by the way, don't take side. It's whatever it is. You can take his side, whatever. He's one of the greatest to ever do it. We actually have a clip where I talked about the match I had with him in Philadelphia. went into great detail and also talked about the honor and privilege and how excited I was to work Rick and definitely one of the people that are one of the top safest wrestlers to ever be in the ring with. So I think what happens too with people like Flair and everybody in the this Carney type of era of wrestling, they almost short circuit because how can you talk about how I was one of the greatest performers in the ring and then talk about how I'm an absolute mess outside the ring at the same time? It's such a binary type of of opinion-based thing. I can only think or feel one way and I have to stick to that. Very tribalistic, right? So, but the legacing thing is always going to be something that everybody can always say, well, this person's better and you are marginalized compared to this person no matter what. And nothing has come easy for me nor I guess touch in his wrestling career. And I'm very happy to say now there's a way to actually express ourselves without being handcuffed, give our real opinions, thoughts, and even timeline verifiable facts on certain incidents that Flair, you know, and I wasn't at at the Bruiser Brody St. I openly and honestly say that I'm surprised Rick was in the business then. I I think I think Ric Flair like would claim that he was the knife. I was the knife that day just to be somewhere in the center of attention to make things up. Quote, he he being Dutch Mantel and Stevie Richards and that little jackoff.**8:27** · That's you.**8:29** · I call him I call him the peanut shell.**8:34** · I googled that to see if that's ever been an insult and nothing came up. He just made it in his Swiss cheese pickle brain. He came up with something that made no sense to everyone but in his fevered imagination. Uh, you know what's funny about that too? I said, "Oh, nailed it. Is that where that you know the name they used to call Teddy Long when he was the manager of Doom and WCW was Peanut Head?" And then I said, "Oh, maybe Flair came up with that if he was booking." And then we discovered that due to, you know, from a Teddy Long shoot interview, they had another name for Teddy Long besides that.**9:08** · He did. Um, anyway, apparently I'm the guy that does the interviews for Zeb. Why he's calling Dutch Zeb, I have no idea. Anyway, which is weird cuz he knows Dutch from decades of being Dutch Mantella before he even got the WWE Zeb Cter. Correct.**9:23** · Yes.**9:25** · Dutch wrestled Ric Flair for the NWA World title in Florida.**9:29** · No, Ric Flair wrestled Dutch. Dutch cannot wrestle and Dutch does not have a legacy.**9:35** · No, that's true. Okay, here's the quote.**9:37** · Now, this entire quote here is actually from a completely different Dutch man tell video, right? That he is now trying to turn on like somehow he heard it like from the horse's mouth. He's just copying verbatim a story that Dutch has told elsewhere that had nothing to do with Flair.**9:53** · You're a friend of the show.**9:55** · Yeah, clearly must subscribe.**9:57** · Anyway, Marietta Georgia and Lex Luga used to always speak of himself in the third person. Flair said he looks like at Jack Mulligan, who was the agent, and goes, "Why would Alex Luga wrestle a what's his real name again?" "Dutch Mantel." Yeah, that's Dutch's real name is Dutch Mantel. Okay, now I understand why Luga said it. Who in the f is Dutch Mantel to help fuzz off who has serious health problems that should mind his own business? Flair closed the richest portion of the rant with a physical comparison. As you said, my little finger is bigger than his neck. Flair was pressed on whether the online commentary gets to him. He said it does not and it was framed.**10:35** · I'm trying. I'm trying. Oh my goodness.**10:38** · I got I got to do the Pat McAfee vent shrug. Randy Orton.**10:45** · Here's the quote. How can it bother me?**10:48** · Who are they? I just talked to Donald Trump on the phone myself. Do I give a s about those guys? They don't even have Donald's number.**10:59** · Not exactly the thing you should be uh bragging about at this particular point in history. I would feel like Flair then listed the people he has direct access to. I can call Charles Barkley. I can call Shaq. I can call Mark Wahberg. I can call anybody because I've earned their respect. Darius Rooker, Kid Rock, Snoop Dogg. I have all their numbers right here on speed dial like it's a landline. Guess what?**11:22** · Everybody's got the contact on the phone. You blithering idiot. Uh, the only way they make a dime, and I'm sure it's a minimal amount of money, is by cracking on people.**11:31** · But, by the way, he just buried himself saying he can't draw if we talk about him. Right.**11:36** · Right.**11:36** · Here's the thing, right? We make pretty good money at what we do. And the reason why Ric Flair doesn't think you can make any money at YouTube is because he was a failure twice over.**11:49** · He had podcasts. three times he had podcasts and they were all failures because he was useless and drunk on them all and had terrible stories that he couldn't get out because he couldn't remember anything. And the reason he couldn't remember anything is probably why he thinks Dutch Mantel is Zeb Coulter's real name or whatever.**12:09** · Well, I was going to say at least this interview went better. He's improved.**12:13** · This is amazing. Anyway, uh anyway, cracking on people that are successful and the older you get, the more successful you stay. The more relevant you stay, the more jealous they get.**12:26** · Okay.**12:26** · Um, the namedropping thing is just hilarious. The name dropping thing. As a matter of fact, give everybody a preview. We have episode 94 coming out later this afternoon, 2 p.m. Eastern time here in the States. And we like to play around with the lower thirds, a little Easter eggs here and there. And if you haven't caught it, catch the beginning of full episodes. My lower third this week is can call Maven Huffman on the phone. James' lower third, you peanut shell, is recently featured on the MMA Hour. So, we try to have a little bit of fun and be objective about this stuff, but man, how is it that that Rick, by the way, there's a shelf life on everything, Rick. On everybody on this show, everything. We're just trying to work as hard to make that shelf life longer and provide value and entertainment for our audience. But to say you become more relevant as time goes on, this business, as Cena said famously, and he's right, they'll forget about Cena 3 weeks later.**13:29** · They didn't remember him until Wrestlemania when he came off the host.**13:31** · And guess what? Three to four weeks later, they'll probably forget because not because Cena's not great and not because you're not great. Because the business and life and everything moves so fast that people tend to say what's new, what's now? Yes, that's great, but what have you done for me lately? That's just the way the world works. So when he says relevant, more relevant as you get older and your legacy progresses, we haven't necessarily seen that trend from you, Rick. That's why you're calling us out because we're talking about your pizza party in Gainesville.**14:08** · We're talking about the plane ride from hell. We're talking about the barf cameo. We're talking about stayer girlfriend. There's nothing we're making up here, are we? This isn't the Bruiser Brody Puerto Rico situation. We're not making up stories.**14:24** · Mhm.**14:24** · Um, yep. I think the whole Yeah. I think the whole jealousy thing is what's there to be jealous of, especially for Okay.**14:33** · Right. I'll frame it this way. as a pro wrestler Stevie, I can imagine you'd be like, "Ah, man, it'd be great to have a world title or whatever he was and blah blah blah." And it'd be great for, you know, doing the conventions later on down the road and and whatnot. But similarly, you had a great career, 30 years in the business. You can't you cannot be disappointed with it. For me, and once again, this is not about me.**14:56** · I'll do my own video. I never wanted to be a pro wrestler. I am not jealous of a scenile old washed up alcoholic in his mid to late 70s embarrassing himself on the weekly. The reason why he keeps coming up and we do a bit of news on our show, we do mostly news on Dutch. I do all news on mine. The reason Ric Flair keeps coming up, we're not hunting out Ric Flair stories. Ric Flair keeps making the news because he keeps dropping his trousers every 5 seconds, waggling his wiener around saying, "Look at me. Look at me." He's like Bender from Future Armor when you know when he's in like the Egyptian deal in that planet and he's and they make him build that massive statue of him that breathes fire and says, "Remember me. Remember me." That's Rick Flair. His currency is fame.**15:49** · That's it. That's how he measures success because he has nothing else.**15:53** · Well, I want to address that too because obviously if you This is the problem with wrestling in general and obviously on TV is different than real life, but I've seen Rick, especially at TNA, a lot of people, young wrestlers that looked up to him and wanted to emulate all the wrong things about Rick as far as money, financials, spending, living within your means. You look at Ric Flair and you look at me and you're like, Stevie must be absolutely broke. As a matter of fact, people always say you just need the money. Everybody needs money to live no matter what. But there's a book I read, The Millionaire Next Door from Dave Ramsey. And there's something called Quiet Wealth. Sure, I wear $5 tank tops and $10 soccer shorts. I want to be comfortable. I'm dressing for the job I've always wanted, which is like hanging out on the beach after I record with Peanut Shell here, James Romero.**16:44** · Hello. So, yeah. Hello. Uh so any anyway this whole thing about that bothers me about the business not on TV because it is larger than life. You got to look at the the Ric Flair limo riding jet flying kiss stealing under any circumstance. Kiss stealing son of a gun. So but but that's what I mean and that's where Flair and a lot of people look at the surface of this and there is something you can have that the keeping up with the Joneses the backyard Hollywood. I lived in the Atlanta area where it's it's backyard Hollywood central. Everybody leases cars, rents houses, but it looks good with no furniture on the inside. And this tangent actually describes Ric Flair.**17:26** · And even now, he can't wear the suits. He's wearing some shirt that's probably a 32° special like I'm wearing. Big shout out. Sponsor the show. And puts a suit jacket over with some gold chains.**17:38** · And I'm going to say it right now. I think the truth of it is Ric Flair's currency with other people is the novelty of Ric Flair. I can't imagine anybody hanging around him for any length of time. And I'm not talking about before. I've I've been the biggest proponent and advocate to say Ric Flair should be a perennial analyst in sports.**18:00** · He's such a sports fan. He I don't know about now, but back then he knew everything. Stats, trends, drafts. Like we have the draft tonight as we're recording this early Thursday morning.**18:12** · Ric Flair has a big he had a second life with that to use his current to get his fame currency. Why he's taking this path I have no idea. And yes, he can look at it or people can look at it like man Ric Flair's fallen very far. He's in an internet beef with Stevie Richards, Zeb Coulter, also known as Dutch Mantel and some guy named Peanut Shell. How the mighty have fallen.**18:38** · It doesn't bother him though. It just took him four minutes to talk about it on the MMA hour with Ariel Hwani.**18:47** · At no point never came up. Like he he Ariel didn't bring this up as a line of questioning. You know, he just brought my big thing. How did this come about? It was just very random. I was going to say to Yeah, that's me. That's me when I'm trying to figure out audio and video and manual camera settings. 20 minutes later after the fbombs and this and that and I lose my mind. I come out and I go that didn't bother me at all to my wife.**19:12** · Let's go on to some other stuff that you said. Ludvig Kaiser. So, uh, so you know, Tiffany Stratton and Lovev Kaiser were an item around this time last year prior to WrestleMania. You'll remember this very well where Tiffany and Charlotte both went off script and quite frankly, Charlotte Flair had been going off script what, like two weeks in a row to make Tiffany look bad. And we even saw on WWE Unreal that as soon as Tiffany did it to Charlotte, then there was that double standard where Tiffany had to apologize to Charlotte. Anyway, Flair said, "I threatened to beat up Tiffany Stratton's husband last year.**19:45** · They were never married. And I wasn't allowed to go to the WWE Hall of Fame or oh, I'm sorry. He wasn't permitted to attend WrestleMania 41, excuse me, last year. I uh I'd missed this one." and he said, um, I threatened to beat up, uh, a 24 year old kid, uh, being threatened by a 76-y old man and I can't go to Wrestlemania. Are you kidding me? You know that English kid, he's I thought he's talking about me again.**20:11** · I thought Yeah, he's stuck on you right now.**20:14** · He's going to he's going to go as far in wrestling as a gnat. He'll be a fly on the wall in a year. I don't think he knows what the phrase fly on a wall means cuz he's a Flair continued referring to Kaiser who is 35 and from Pinnberg, Germany. quote, "Let me stop you right there because I'm actually one of the people I'm a huge fan of that I feel like why are you not pulling the trigger on this guy is Lu Vic Kaiser and in Triple A he's doing very well as Al Grande Americano and and I'm saying this dude has so much talent, so much natural ex he exudes confidence and arrogance in a way that can get him heat and when he was a Gunther he's a big reason why Gunther got elevated another notch in my in my estimation.**21:02** · There's a great deal of potential with Kaiser and I don't understand why Ric Flair is he's just like like wakes up and decide like shifting from us without the question to then doing this. Was this a line of questioning from Ariwani or did this come out of nowhere?**21:20** · These are all quotes I've pulled. I need to watch it back fully and then I guess make my own. I don't know if this was brought up or not. Um, Hwani then asked Flair to clarify what happened. And Flair said they had that thing where Tiffany made a smart remark about Ashley's divorce, Charlotte Flair divorces, which we both know she's not smart enough to have written somebody gave her the script. And then he implied that I'm just going based on social media once again, which is a lot, that he was implying that he wouldn't mind a one-off with Ashley.**21:48** · Uh, I'm not sure. I'm sorry. Charlotte Flair on television in actually said that Ludvika was in her DMs, not the other way around. And then I went, "Okay, I need your number. I got it, which I can get anybody's number. I want any minute of the day." And I called him. I said, "Hey, when I see you, I'm going to beat the stuff out of you." So, he went like a little bee, told Hunter, and I wasn't allowed to go.**22:15** · For starters, Ric Flair couldn't beat his own meat, let alone anybody in a fight these days. Have you seen him moving and throwing chops? Even in a working environment, it was like he was chopping a bucket of custard, molasses.**22:28** · It was the slowest of slow motions. He couldn't get up from a chair in less than a minute these days. Um he So anyway, Flair then he's going to be more mad at me for laughing at the the metaphors that you Flair then implied he wasn't sure if Kaiser was still on the WWE roster.**22:46** · Where is he? Is he even in on the roster? And Flair asked uh uh he asked that Helwani confirmed Flair was referring to Kaiser and told him Kaiser was wrestling in Mexico. I'm sure he is. I hope he stays. Flair responded burnt.**23:00** · So he's throwing strays at the the country of Mexico. It's like what? What in the Yeah, this whole thing he's got it. I mean, he's consistent but consistently inaccurate. But yeah, this is all and that double standard has always bothered me and it bothered me with this thing that Charlotte can say all these things and get personal and shoot. But the minute the other girl who's not politically favored says something, they it actually turned out to where Flair is kind of burying WWE, they wrote this script for her. But the thing is that they let Charlotte get over more personal stuff on Tiffany. So, and maybe Kaiser said to Hunter, "Hey, man. This this guy's saying that we're going to fight and I don't want to I don't want to hurt this guy." It could have been the other way around. I don't think Kaiser was saying, "Please don't let Ric Flair show up. I we just don't know what's going to happen to me."**23:56** · Yeah.**23:56** · On his hands and knees. Oh, God.**23:58** · What's going to do? Is he going to beg off and hit me in the balls? I don't know. Flair also revealed that Dennis Robin asked him to induct him into the WWE Hall of Fame. Flair said he contacted WWE but never heard back from the company. Dennis Robin called me and said, "Will you induct me?" Just basically said that to the powers would be Dennis wanted me to induct him. I never got a call back. Do you know why?**24:20** · No, I don't know why. What I was going to say, if I can say it real quick, is Ric Flair, I feel like you have all the makings for a mobile carrier commercial for Verizon, AT&T, Visible. I know WWE works with Cricket. Of course, you can't do that. You seem to be really, really telephone heavy. And I think a cell phone company or a manufacturer should really sign you to an advertising deal.**24:47** · They should do like um like a call blocking service. It should be consumer cellular or jitterbug, the big button folks that you cannot tweet or text.**24:58** · Uh so the reason why he couldn't be uh inducting Dennis Rodman is because Ric Flair is signed with AEW.**25:06** · That is why and also that is why Roots of Fight are no longer working with uh Ric Flair because they're entering entering into an an exclusive agreement with WWE. That's the reason Brick Flair went on further and further. I don't know if I've got the quotes here, but he was saying, "Hey, I should be able to go to the Hall of Fame. They should be they should be rolling out the red carpet for me." It's like, buddy, no one wants you there for the most part. I mean, the fans who don't actually get to like interact with you or have to sit next to you or, you know, have you breathing on their breathing on their faces, turning turning the teeth yellow and melting their car keys with your whiskey breath.**25:46** · Here's here's what it is. Is that you are signed to another company and the people who you call best friends in the years prior who you know did everything they could for you in Ric Flair's career Triple H Anderson etc. They don't talk to him anymore or they don't talk to him very often anymore. Even in his own 30 for30, you know, the people of Ric Flair, Jim Ross the same. You know what I mean? It's it's constantly he falls out.**26:13** · Shawn Michaels, he called he stood by that TV and and questioned his everything about him. Remember that? So Shawn Michaels is right in there. And if there was two people that revered Ric Flair more than those two guys, Triple H and Shawn Michaels, I have yet to find them. These guys were just they loved Rick as a wrestler and actually took care protected him and loved him as a person and and it just seems like Rick is there's a lot of I with my family stuff and everything everybody's gone through it in the advanced age agitation becomes more apparent with certain conditions. I'm not going to even try to guess what cognitive conditions, right?**26:55** · But the agitation and just not even trailing off or anything, but getting mad at everybody at the indiscriminate random times for no apparent reason, it seems to be Rick's pattern with this.**27:07** · And also when he says after everything with all this, you know, I'm what's it?**27:12** · I'm not mad at anybody. I understand it's politics now. It's too much politics and not enough wrestling.**27:20** · But by the way, Rick, you you leveraged politics as a booker in WCW. Am I off base with that?**27:26** · No.**27:28** · Hey, the only thing he didn't leverage is his influence in any company was to get himself a really really good payday pretty much because even in WCW at the end, he was like the 13th or something highest paid and he was like the guy with the longest tenure. Anyway, uh replacing Triple H and the Triple H relationship. So, he's talking about if they ever get rid of Triple H's Booker.**27:49** · He says that the Undertaker, if he's physically able to do it, he should be the next head of creative. However, when asked if Flair believes Triple H should leave WWE, he responded, "No, no, no.**27:58** · I'm saying if something happens with Hunter because, you know, he has some very serious health issues, nothing's guaranteed." In the same appearance, he opened up about his relationship with Triple H. Well, it's good. I mean, we exchanged pleasantries, but here's the deal with Triple H. He did do much for me. He did do so much for me after Eric Bishoff destroyed me and when he brought me into the company which he did I think more than Vince McMahon did we did Evolution which restored my confidence because Bishoff had completely killed me so I can't get mad at him. Who's who's asking Rick to get mad at him? Do you know what I mean? Just reading that out loud like well I can't get mad at him.**28:34** · But here's the thing. This this is read this word for word or in context.**28:40** · definitely read between the lines a little bit, but the pattern here, this is the currency once again that you talk about Ric Flair and he's not it's not exclusive to Rick. He's not the only one in the wrestling business that I discovered. Also, there's a difference between wrestling friends and realworld friendship in this way. When Rick talks about Triple H or anybody in wrestling, he doesn't talk about anything outside of the fact of pushes, signing contracts, being on TV. Not that, hey, Triple H, when I was really depressed or sad or anything, man, that dude was a long road, I was about to crack on the road, he pulled me aside and he was friends. This is a guy I confided in. Do you see how it all it's all around hanging on to the fame and hanging on to the identity of Ric Flair, which Eric Bishoff didn't really destroy him. He's a great enough worker to go to a different place and get himself over.**29:39** · Ric Flair is always and I can understand the the insecurity and the lack of confidence in the ring on TV. That's sort of a good thing with pressure, but Rick does have a lot of insecurity. And I I believe right here also this quote tells a story about a guy who attaches friendship as far as what can you do for me within the business.**30:03** · It's not even that. I think it's one further. It's like, well, Triple H did all this stuff for me in the past, but what have you done for me today?**30:11** · But he can't get mad at him. He'd like to get mad at him, but he can't. It's almost like he he kind of self-regulated that where he didn't with other things.**30:20** · But didn't he not too long ago like really bashed WWE in the entire even including Triple H in that? I can't remember. It's been constantly so much of a roller coaster ride back and forth constantly. But it's the roots of fight thing. You're destroying my legacy and I did this and I did that and I paid Vince McMahon back the the money. I think at some point he claimed he was going through three simultaneous divorces and like that's where the Vince McMahon money thing is. And you can tell that Rick has been watching the videos with Dutch or the videos with Stevie or whatever you you're Stevie or videos with me, you know, anything like you can tell he's been watching them because he's picking up all the points that we made and then trying to turn them around. And especially with Dutch, he was going through videos that had nothing to do with him and then trying to like get um get stories to kind of like throw in Dutch's face when Dutch was the one who told him in the first place. Uh we don't want to harp on this all day, but Charlotte Flair Wrestlemania 42. Uh Flair was asked about his thoughts of his daughter, her daughter's Wrestlemania 42 match, and someone actually had a phone camera footage of Charlotte on the screen and then Ric Flair where else in a bar watching bling like a baby and I it's nice that he's that proud about his daughter. But it was kind of like, you know, she was kind of like, you know, in the midc card in a in a women's tag team championship match, but he's already crying. It's just he's a crier, so I understand. Anyway, uh but uh Ariel must have asked him, "So, what do you think of um Charlotte's role in Wrestlemania this year, I guess?" And she he said, "I didn't like her match at all." And I think that Ashley, Charlotte Flair, needs to be a singles wrestler. And I know she enjoys her relationship with Alexa, but if Ashley is not in the title picture right now in my life and as a spectator without her in the main event in a singles match, the match she had with Ria Ripley two years ago, they've never never had a match like that ever in the history of women's wrestling. and Ria's getting the gold as well. I'm putting them both over. Anyway, he starts blathering on saying that uh Charlotte should be in the title picture and it's like she's been in the title picture for like eight of the 10 Wrestlemania prior.**32:27** · Yeah, I was going to say I would also challenge that and that's a matter of opinion to say you've never seen anything like that match in women's wrestling history. I would dare say you can pick a bunch of Trish and Victoria matches. You could pick a bunch of even Trish and Jazz, Molly Holl's in there. That whole group. I'm going to always be, you know, really biased towards that group of women wrestlers from that era.**32:52** · Lita, everybody, they've all had incredible matches. Not to take away from what Charlotte and Ray Ripley have done in the past or even in the future, but you you that's obviously a bias on Rick. It's his daughter. That's that's good. But like you said, there is such a thing too of you do have to cool off a little bit and then put yourself back in, work your way back into that if you're constantly there. They're going to turn on her like they did when she returned. And the whole Tiffany Stratton thing those two weeks, the fans turned on her pretty bad. And I think that's why they kind of veered her off with a tag team to kind of reestablish her popularity.**33:31** · Okay. Any closing thoughts then on all of this? Because it was just bizarre. It was just bizarre this one.**33:38** · Oh, Ric Flair is one of the greatest to ever do it in the ring. And like I said, they, you know, they they tend to not be able to separate that. We've done a really good job of separating the personality, the character, the performer from the real person. And mainly every single Ric Flair video we've ever done, like you said, is a reaction to exactly what he's done himself on camera. Always on camera, whether it be cameo, bars, pizza parties, all that stuff. Rick, you can be mad or do whatever. I mean, I was going to say I was about to challenge him to a a cardio challenge, but I was like, I might lose that because he's still a cardio machine. So, I'll leave it with that. You're one of the greatest to ever do it. And Rick, I I hope that you find happiness and peace and contentment with whatever. My name is Stevie Richards, by the way.