**Jacob Bartlett** @jacobtechtavern [2026-04-22](https://x.com/jacobtechtavern/status/2046882960448569725)I found this funny podcast snippet from Chris Lattner and John Siracusa in 2017 about keeping Swift's development a secret in 2013.The Apple languages team had a lot of work to do building Swift, so they needed to come up with easy syntax sugar features for Objective-C to keep everyone happy (and non-suspicious) in the meantime.Full podcast is here:https://atp.fm/205